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Where Does Indigenous Engagement Fit in ESG?

Coffee with Samso Episode 104 is with Florence Drummond, CEO & Co-Founder of IWIMRA (Indigenous Women in Mining and Resources Australia).

ESG are three letters that is taking centre stage in the world of mineral commodities. ESG is a topic of discussion in every conversation but we ask, where does First Nation members fit in this discussion?

In this episode of Coffee With Samso, Florence Drummond and I are discussing where does engagement with the Indigenous sector fit into the whole ESG statement. How do we measure Social Performance without making it about pointing fingers.

There are many forms of engagement which are not industry specific. Crossing into other businesses to encourage participation with the company is a great way of engagement. We discuss several methods and ways to form relationships with companies and indigenous platforms which create mutual benefits.

Tune in to find out more about Florence Drummond and IWIMRA.


00:00 Introduction

01:02 Where Does Indigenous Engagement Fit in ESG?

02:26 How do our sector get into the middle road?

03:43 How is the process of Indigenous people moving into employment?

04:44 How do we measure Social Performance?

06:22 Has the Indigenous sector been active in getting into the Field workplace?

10:07 What has been happening in the IWIMRA area?

11:11 90% of mineral exploration companies do not have a Indigenous policy.

12:32 Has the Indigenous suppliers increased over the time?

14:18 Other ways of engaging with Indigenous people in non-mining business.

15:18 Social engagement can be more about indigenous private business.

17:29 Why are Indigenous business not more 'In Your Face".

18:55 How does IWIMRA get involved in promoting Indigenous business.

20:49 People need to get into the media space to create engagement.

22:36 Sustainable Investments and ESG is here to stay.

23:18 Conclusion


About Florence Drummond

CEO & Co-Founder


Florence Drummond leads IWIMRA, a community for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women in the mining and resources sector. Founded in 2017 with the focus of raising the profile of Indigenous women, the national network is now stepping into the international arena and engaging with all Indigenous peoples in the sector. It is an organic shift into the NFP space to better contribute towards best practice.

Florence's introduction to the mining industry was as a Machine Operator. Within the 8 years of her time working directly for tier one companies, alongside her national team, she has successfully built IWIMRA as a peak body for Indigenous relations within the sector. Her international participation and experience in attending forums such as UN Commission of the Status of Women in New York and also representing Australia at the regional forum of UN ESCAP in Bangkok, has continued to shape the expectations of the network to contribute at a policy level to ensure best practice for Indigenous stakeholder engagement in the industry.

In 2020 Florence was recognised as WIMUK Global Top 100 Most Influential Women in Mining, joining a cohort of influential women who continue to reflect and uphold what good leadership looks like.

Check out our last Coffee With Samso Episode 95 where Florence discussed about Indigenous Women In Mining, their Challenges and Future.


Indigenous Women In Mining and Resources Australia

Indigenous Women in Mining and Resources Australia (IWIMRA) was founded in 2017 to create a stronger connection amongst Indigenous women in Australia’s Mining and Resource sector. IWIMRA partners with industries to continually raise the profile of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women and to contribute to best practice solutions.

Through their lived experiences, and their narrative of Indigenous intersectionality, it is their priority to ensure the visibility, voice and quality participation of Indigenous women.

IWIMRA aspires to lead with clarity and purpose. Working with industries to build solutions-driven, cross-culture influential relationships, together they continue to contribute towards a sustainable future for everyone

1. Why does IWIMRA exist?

To raise the profile of Indigenous women in the mining and resources industry

2. What does IWIMRA do?

As a membership based organisation, IWIMRA aims to build an online community to engage in conversation with women across the industry. Our digital platform is designed to overcome geographical barriers with the core aim to identify gaps for career progression and opportunities to improve for Indigenous women. Furthermore, promote culturally safe professional development tools, access to community of mentors, quality opportunities and brokering greater relations with key industry stakeholders. IWIMRA is focused on building capacity that is fit for purpose, to align with the innovative nature of the mining and resources industry.

3. Who does IWIMRA benefit?

IWIMRA is established to benefit Indigenous Women in the mining and resources sector. Indigenous women are identified as the cornerstone of many families and communities. Indigenous women's participation and influence in the industry can be utilised to strengthen relations within the Indigenous workforce, to promote retention initiatives. From a global perspective, Indigenous women are identified as most vulnerable, in their opportunities to innovate with the fast paced society. The mining and resources industry is informed by global instruments such as the Sustainable Development Goals 2030.

4. How will IWIMRA achieve its goals?

IWIMRA will achieve its goals by strengthening its digital platform, which encompasses key focus areas that include: access to professional development pathways services, community of mentors and relations & investment by employee companies. This partnered approach to raising the profile of Indigenous women in mining and resources, will ensure transparency, accountability and ownership.

5. What does success look like?

Success for IWIMRA will be a self sustaining network of confident, capable and informed women. Leading the conversation internally for specific Indigenous initiatives and contributing to industry best practice. The success of our digital platform to facilitate robust conversations within the mining and resources industry which will continue to promote and inform best practice, with a lens that is culturally safe, future focused and fit for purpose.

To learn more of IWIMRA's membership opportunities contact here.



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