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- Iron ore nothing: China's effect on iron ore market raises questions as to their reliability
Is China still reliable for the iron ore trade? Iron ore is a prevalent commodity in Australia and an important export for our economy. Whether it is their recent real estate crisis in their internal economy or their complicated relationship with Australian mineral exports, what is highly relevant for Australians to consider is: Is China still reliable for iron ore trade? Let's contextualise the story Iron ore demand has plummeted amid China's reduction in steel use, according to ANZ commodities analysts. The pressure on the iron ore industry has even caused several Australian mining groups to shut down operations temporarily. However, the fall in the market is allusive to a much bigger problem regarding the world's biggest iron ore consumer: China. China has made its aim clear; to reduce their pollution output by reducing an association with the steel production and the iron ore industry. The CCP has been open about aiming to keep its emission low by restricting steel output to 1 billion tonnes since 2016. As one of Australia's foremost consumers of iron ore, China's sudden lack of demand has caused dramatic shifts in mineral prices. In a discussion with Samso CEO, geologist and mineral expert Noel Ong, he explains, "The EV (electronic vehicle) revolution needs iron ore. It is not just about Lithium. You cannot make the lithium factory, the lithium processing, etc. without steel". Hence, the goal of lowering pollution output may be noble, but the likelihood of such a rapid decrease in steel production seems unviable. He further explains, "The good news for iron ore is that China is dependent on iron ore. Growth in China will need iron ore." These goals, some claim, were formed considering China will be hosting the upcoming Winter Olympics. Thus, the perception is that China wants to promote their nation as advanced in the global race to decarbonise during a time of great publicity. Yet, others have linked China's actions to a much more complex economic dilemma. Evergrande: the next Global Financial Crisis? This September, it was revealed that China’s Evergrande Group, the nation's most prominent real estate firm, had accrued a massive debt. The crisis quickly established itself as a dangerous catalyst for Beijing's property market, its investors and beyond. After the implementation of some policies in 2020, the real estate sector of China has been cracked down on by governments for their vast amassing of debt, with developer giant Evergrande having racked up over US$300 billion in liabilities. Quickly following Evergrande’s inability to make a scheduled bond payment to international holders, Evergrande was forced to cease trade - causing a reprieve in China's demand for iron ore. The impact of a crisis not even fully formed has seen a significant injury to the Australian iron ore industry. Australia saw AUD $150 billion from exports, 80% of this coming from China in 2020, making even the slightest fall in iron ore value or demand a highly volatile blow to our economy. As a vitally important commodity to the Australian economy, the fate of iron ore (and much more) is now the ball in the court of the potentially collapsing Evergrande. Which it really shouldn't be. For many reasons, some compare the disaster that would follow Evergrande's collapse to another Global Financial Crisis. The iron ore market has been giving investors the run around for months, seeing the price of iron ore soar to US$200 in May, followed by a plummet in September to under US$100. Following the fall, it went public that Evergrande possessed the most immense debt pile in the country. With a debt of over US$360 Billion ranging in the form of bank loans and various borrowings, the second-largest real estate developer in China was exposed to be on the brink of bankruptcy. The global consequences of this concern those with stakes in the iron ore industry and beyond. Evergrande risks leaving property underdeveloped despite 1.5 million people having already paid deposits with potentially nothing to show. Additionally, they are now selling their assets at significant discounts. Currently, Evergrande owes US$669 million in coupon payments by the end of the year and US$7.7 billion in maturing debt due next year. China walks a thin line with recent legislation The real estate giant's aggressive loan taking came back to them when the Chinese government in August of 2020 cracked down on leverage in the real estate industry to evade a financial crisis - ironically, potentially causing a different one (there's an iron pun in here somewhere). The CCP introduced a policy of "three red lines" to govern real estate developers. The policies are designed to police the way investment companies rack up debt. By introducing a metric to measure a company's debt tolerance, violators will face restrictions on how much they can loan and from whom. They force deleveraging to improve the real estate sector, cause credit rating changes and create opportunities for bond investors. China implemented the lines as concern grew for rising debt levels and surging land prices to protect the Chinese real estate. The reasoning behind the three red lines: 1. To lower house prices: China has seen a significant rise in house prices over the last few decades, making property largely unaffordable. 2. To lower land market prices: House prices rise when developers buy and hoard land to bid off later. 3. To funnel money into other economic sectors: China's real estate sector accrues massive capital. By moving funds away from real estate, the instability of the real estate sector (which is prone to fluctuation) is not as much of a liability. When the rest of the economy isn’t so dependent on one area, it is therefore not as vulnerable. Overall, these policies have obviously been implemented to protect the real estate sector. This industry is one of China's most important aspects of the economy. The chain of reaction between real estate and other sectors of China is strongly linked, and therefore needs to be protected to be sustained. Despite the reasoning behind these rules, their implementation had consequences similar to those they have been set up to prevent. Evergrande immediately violated all three red lines and is now unable to engage in any further loans. The stagnancy of this cash flow has tremendous implications on other companies and the economy's ability to execute a trade. China cut off the lifeline for Evergrande, but will they be able to pick up the pieces that fall in its wake? For these reasons, many are making some alarming comparisons between Evergrande and the Lehman Brothers. Despite this extreme comparison, especially considering the safeguards that have been out in place since 2008, the uncertainty of Evergrande's fate is anxiety-inducing for those that would be affected by the shockwave of its possible collapse. The fate of Evergrande is mainly dependent on the Chinese government's actions which will have to choose between sticking behind its tough stance on debt restrictions or bailing out its real estate sector. The Chinese property development crisis would have disastrous impacts on stakeholders and anyone connected to them. The Chinese real estate market would also take a hit as Evergrande would have to 'fire sell' its assets and property, causing a depression in the rest of the market. According to the Financial Times, the real estate sector makes up 29% of the country's GDP. Hence, a wound to China is a wound to all, as attested by the harm done to Australia's iron ore industry. In economic terms, this is called 'contagion'—a name befitting, as this crisis's impact would have similar weight to the seriousness of COVID-19. Contagion is a financial phenomenon that acts similarly to bacteria's passing, but the infection is an economic failure. The missing of obligations by Evergrande could cause other companies and other countries to miss their commitments. As a result, predicting and planning finances becomes a lot more difficult, and debt accrues. Thus, it is part of the chain reaction despite sectors such as the iron ore industry not being directly exposed to Evergrande. Although the Chinese government has made it clear they have no intention of rescuing Evergrande, what they have done is inject liquidity of US$18.6 billion into the banking system, according to a Bloomberg article. Additionally, Evergrande has an opportunity of negotiating with its creditors to haircut their debt, that is, to restructure the amount they agreed to pay back. Seen as unavoidable by some, a haircut to their debt may be agreed upon given the stakes are so high. Many countries' economies have not fully recovered from the impact of the recent pandemics and no longer have the funds to soften the blow of a financial hit. In light of panic surrounding Evergrande, China has declared all cryptocurrency transactions, such as Bitcoin, illegal. The ban prevents any capital flight, where assets quickly flow out of the nation- causing an onset global financial crisis. Moreover, the recklessness of the 'three red lines' policy seems to be more problematic for global powers who should heed the actions of China if they want to protect their trade. What has China's property industry got to do with Australia? When I first contemplated this topic, I was baffled how a Chinese real estate company's debt could affect Australian mining companies to close shop. However, upon researching, what opened to me was an extreme scepticism for how reliable China was as a trade partner. If the health of our economy relies so heavily on China's real estate market, Australian miners should look to the more promising urbanisation incline in India, Africa and Indonesia. Look to December of 2020 for an insight into China's unreliability as a trade partner. Late last year, China set up a blockade against Australian coal imports that left ships stranded and mining companies confused, according to the New York Times. The game Beijing played with Australian exporters seemed in retaliation for Australia's demand for an inquiry into the origin of COVID-19. The shipment later found trade in India, an increasingly more urban country. People have never lived more in urban areas than today. According to the UN, in 2018, 55% of the global population lives in cities, a number expected to rise to 68% by 2050. The need for iron ore may be deteriorating, but this is likely to decrease after decades of increased urbanisation in India, Pakistan, and Indonesia. Africa is also growing their cities, and Japan is still our major importer of minerals. So the need for steel is not going anywhere anytime soon. Noel Ong comments, "Non-China growth will happen, the US will have their second industrial revolution, the second and third-tier nations will grow and equilibrium will take its place again... iron ore will find a price medium". What are the political implications? The Australian relationship with China has been somewhat strained recently, some perceiving China's reduction in consumerism with iron ore being their pulling away from dependence on Australian commodities. In some ways, China's dependence on Australia's minerals has given Australia a sort of veto power over China- as the supplier to necessary materials; we hold the ability to restrict them. This assessment was formed considering the various ethical conflicts Australia has called out China for in recent years; cyber-attacks and the Chinese made devices containing government spy technology being examples. This month, Microsoft has made major restrictions for China via their online service 'LinkedIn' over allegations that China has been silencing journalists via the website. Perhaps China has halted trade of coal, wine and wheat with Australia over the years out of sheer retort. However, China has had just as much power over us as major consumers of iron ore- an influence that mining companies should be wary of. China, The WTO and more There is indeed a delicate symbiosis between China and Australia. Some could argue it is currently in an imbalance that could affect us just as badly in the global political arena. Personally, I find it a stretch by miles to argue that China would sabotage their largest economic sector to jab countries in the process of their own destruction. Indeed, I even think the nation has a right to reduce its carbon footprint as quickly as possible, as does any country. Their attitude towards pollution and attempt to control their real estate sector could even positively influence Australia. However, the recklessness of their policies, the bullying of smaller nations, and the petty disruption of trade are cause enough to provoke Australia to drift from Chinese markets. However, these actions are not different to those used by other "big brothers" of the past. We all know that China's legal system is entirely inaccessible. Narratives would be correct in saying that it is too ambiguous to stay in a trade agreement with China if you are a small company because a breach in the contract is difficult to reprimand via a government as unforthcoming as Beijing. Sovereign states have issues so a small company would have no chance. At the time of China's barricade in 2020, Prime Minister Scott Morrison claimed that China banning iron ore would breach World Trade Organisation rules. Australia took China to the WTO for bans on wine and barley trade, which hasn't met a conclusion yet. China's relationship with the WTO is one of broken promises and these actions are the same of all "big brothers". According to the Information Technology and Innovative Foundation, "China has failed to meet numerous WTO commitments on issues such as industrial subsidisation, protection of foreign intellectual property, forcing joint ventures and technology transfer, and providing market access to services industries". Australia is still following up with the WTO regarding wine and barley and advocate for some reprimanding for China's leniency on the rules. From here, the WTO could make an established ground for China to exit trading with Australia in terms of iron ore safely and fairly. Additionally, China has been taking action in Africa to establish an iron ore mine in Africa's Guinea iron ore province. The idea of the new mining hub is for China to establish a different source of iron ore trade to assert independence from Australia. Although sparking fear, the enterprise is arguably a strategy in the trade war. Samso CEO Noel Ong reassures, "African iron ore will not be economically competitive, and unless China wants to be competitive with growing markets, it will buy from Australia again. Remember, it is not about price alone; it is also about the quality of the iron ore." Not all doom for Iron Ore in Australia I claim to be an expert in the mineral market or global economics no more than economists claim to be fortune-tellers. From my research on the topic, the consensus on this issue seems to be coming from a place of panic. However, the ASPI (Australian Strategic Policy Institute) claims that there is ground for some optimism regarding this story. David Uren of APSI reassures that despite the plunging iron ore market, the possibility of it surging as it did in May of this year isn't entirely unlikely. He also mentions that despite China having a 2016 5-year-plan to reduce steel output, the enterprise currently is not going to schedule for them. While the Chinese government planned for the top 10 steelmakers in the country to produce 60% of the steel used for Chinese infrastructure by the end of the 5-year-plan, local steel production only rose 2 per cent from 36%, according to ASPI. So reducing dependency on Australia will come both as a struggle and for a price. "Commodity cycles exist because it is cyclical" - Noel Ong, Samso CEO Final Thoughts It is a scary thought to imagine the damage that could be done to a global economy having already been hit with two years of a pandemic, but the Evergrande crisis provoked thoughts on this and so much more. Indeed, for Australians, Australian miners and stakeholders, the plummet of the iron ore market has confronted us with contemplating our future with China, their reliability as trade partners and the extent that we should be reliant on them. Industrialisation and mass urbanisation is yet to hit many countries. Australia will benefit as we pivot to these precious markets to offload our abundant resources. China is set on their steel output decreasing. Their trade with Australia is being challenged; yet, as hard they pull away from Australia, the mining industry is still more experienced and contains higher-quality products here than in most countries. I have optimism for Australia's mining industry, but China's Evergrande crisis should be heeded cautiously by China and all, for when big things fall, they fall hard. Author: Lucia Darcy, Samso Insights Contributor Lucia Darcy is an up and coming writer, columnist and essayist with her roots in social and philosophical academia. Lucia is a current Literary Studies student who aims to start her career as a copywriter and freelancer by engaging with various companies and topics. Her involvement with Samso is based on a shared curiosity for investment, mining and global economics. She believes that although her approach to each blog is from a place of learning, her writing is for people like herself - novices and autodidacts who wish to educate themselves on a range of matters. Media Partner Brilliant-Online: Our investment articles are also shared across Brilliant-Online magazine. Check out their investment column. Subscribe to Brilliant-Online. Disclaimer The information contained on this website is the writer’s personal opinion and is provided to you for information only and is not intended to or nor will it create/induce the creation of any binding legal relations. Read full Disclaimer. Share to Grow If you find this article informative and useful, please help me share the information. I try to write topics that are interesting and have the potential to be of investment value. It is not easy to find stories that fit those parameters. 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- Nova Silica Sand Project - The Makings of a Tier 1 Industrial Mineral Miner on the ASX.
Rooster Talk 47 with Robert Martin, Executive Chair of Suvo Strategic Minerals Limited (ASX: SUV). Suvo is positioning itself towards being a Tier 1 Industrial Minerals Miner. They have the Kaolin part sorted and is now taking the step to mining Silica Sands. According to Robert Martin, the Executive Chair of Suvo, this is the missing link in the company's strategy. The company has had this asset since their IPO but has not moved on it till now. What I like hearing from Robert is that he wants to build mines. He wants to create a Tier 1 Industrial Minerals Mining machine. From a person who has built a profitable mining services company, his words mean more to me now as I am seeing more of his cards. The Silica story is one that will add significant value to the company. We have natural silica flour which adds market value that is unique to the Nova Silica Project. Robert tells us that they are getting calls daily about what they are doing with this Silica Project. As we all know, exploration is a marathon and it is a matter of luck and science. The Nova Silica project is not like finding gold or nickel or copper. Silica is very much like iron ore, coal, and clay. Once you have discovered a presence, the likelihood of finding a resource is very high. This is why when you resource Coal, your drill spacing does not need to be close. Some of the spacing can be hundreds of metres apart. This resource statement that has been released is a stepping stone to a final solution. More steps are coming up with Suvo, so watch this space. Chapters: 00:00 Intro 00:59 The Nova Silica Project Story 02:52 What does Nova mean for Suvo? 05:20 Why is Nova of interest? 07:55 Does Suvo really have more than the 15% stated? 10:37 Rising silica market demands 12:40 The importance of the quality of Nova. 13:50 Silica processing is chemical free. 15:05 What's the news flow? 16:43 Great stock to DYOR 17:25 Shifting on metal demand. 18:34 Last words from Robert 20:05 Conclusion PODCAST About Robert Martin Mr Martin has over 20 years experience across the mining services, supply chain and capital market sectors. Mr Martin has owned and operated a highly successful mining services company which became a leading provider of products and services to the mining industry and operated globally with offices across Australia and internationally. After seven years of revenue and profitability growth and expansion into multiple countries, Mr Martin’s company was acquired by a prominent Perth business for an undisclosed multi-million dollar sum. Mr Martin runs a family office in Western Australia with a focus on investing and supporting emerging private and public businesses, and currently holds the position of non-executive director at PARKD Limited and is the non-executive chairman of publicly listed Critical Resources Limited. About Suvo Strategic Minerals Limited Suvo Strategic Minerals is a dual commodity Australian mining company listed on the Australian Stock Exchange (ASX:SUV) focused on the development of their 100% owned White Knight Kaolin Project located in the Yilgarn Craton in the central wheat belt and their 100% owned Nova Silica Project located in the Gin Gin Scarp near the township of Eneabba all situated within Western Australia. About the Nova Silica Sand Project The Nova Silica Sand Project is a 100% owned potential large-scale Silica Sand resource located in the Gin Gin scarp near the township of Eneabba the project has existing rail cart transport solutions direct from the tenements to Geraldton port. Watch the video - Suvo Expands Nova Silica Sands project Suvo's ESG Strategy Robert highlighted that Suvo has engaged an ESG team to help Suvo look at sustainable ways to rejuvenate what they have mined and further reduce carbon footprint for example using solar powered resources. The ESG strategy will see a long term intent to add value to shareholders as well as to communities and the environment. Share to Grow: Your Bonus eBook: How to add value to your Share Portfolio This is a good time to download our Free Ebook as it is all about VMS (Volcanogenic Massive Sulfides). The eBook is about lessons on geological models sought by mining companies. It gives insight and an understanding of which portfolios are better - and potentially more lucrative investments. Click here to download this eBook. Disclaimer The information contained on this website is the writer’s personal opinion and is provided to you for information only and is not intended to or nor will it create/induce the creation of any binding legal relations. Read full Disclaimer. About Samso Samso-Brilliant Distribution Outreach Powerful Advertising opportunities for Samso’s ASX and private business clients. The Brilliant-Online partnership is an opportunity to reach new and wider audiences in a fresh, appealing format to pique and retain investor interest. Contact Veronica directly for your special Samso-Brilliant advertising rate. Read Brilliant Investments
- Green Hydrogen is Set to Change the World
A Samso Insight on the Investigation of Green Hydrogen by Melissa Buckley All you've ever wanted to know about this energy source, but never thought to ask is in this power-packed ebook from Melissa Buckley, one of our Samso Insights Contributors. Green Hydrogen = World Changing Big things have humble beginnings, and Melissa originally started out writing about green hydrogen as a blog post. With her research and her enthusiasm, her inquiry into green hydrogen grew and it became clear this was getting more exciting and we decided to share it as an ebook. There is no denying that green hydrogen is an exciting, emerging technology. There is much we can learn about it, and it is looking like it has the potential to change our world forever. Download our ebook on Green Hydrogen: An Investigation to get an overview of: What green hydrogen is Australian interests Countries in exploratory phases The technology behind it Costs and parameters Future usage It has all the essential information to help your decision making for successful wealth creation today. Click below to download Green Hydrogen eBook The Author Melissa Buckley is a second year Edith Cowan University student studying Marketing, Public Relations and Advertising. She has a background in social media content creation and management and in her previous career supplied administrative support to the not-for-profit sector and private enterprise. Melissa also has a lifelong love of collecting minerals/crystals. Media Partner Brilliant-Online: Our investment articles are also shared across Brilliant-Online magazine. Check out their investment column. Subscribe to Brilliant-Online. Disclaimer The information contained on this website is the writer’s personal opinion and is provided to you for information only and is not intended to or nor will it create/induce the creation of any binding legal relations. Read full Disclaimer. Share to Grow If you find this article informative and useful, please help me share the information. I try to write topics that are interesting and have the potential to be of investment value. It is not easy to find stories that fit those parameters. If you or your organisation see the benefit of what Samso is trying to achieve and have a need to share your journey, please contact me on email@example.com. Keep us informed too! Please let us know your thoughts and send us any comments to firstname.lastname@example.org. Remember to Subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Samso Media and our mail list to stay informed and make comments where appropriate. Other than that, you can also give us a Review on Google.
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- About | Noel Ong | Samso Australia | ASX Stories for Investors
Samso helps companies pique investor interest Samso tells compelling stories by engaging business leaders to reveal insights beneficial to the investment community. Deliverables About Samso Brochure What Clients Say Engaging Samso When Why Story Distribution Contact About Samso Samso is a renowned resource among the investment community for keen market analysis and insights into the companies and business trends that matter. We have a track record of developing successful business concepts in the Australasia region, and provide bespoke research and counsel to businesses seeking to raise capital and procuring projects for ASX listings. About Noel Ong, CEO, Samso. Industry veteran Noel Ong is a geologist with nearly 30 years of industry experience and a strong background in capital markets, corporate finance and the mineral resource sector. Based in Perth, Western Australia, he was the founder and managing director of ASX publicly-listed company Siburan Resources Limited from 2009-2017 and has also been involved in several other ASX listings, providing advice, procuring projects and helping to raise capital. He brings all this experience and expertise to the Samso interviews such as Coffee with Samso and Rooster Talk, where his engaging conversation style with business figures gives revealing insights into Australian Stock Exchange (ASX) companies, related concepts and industry trends that can pique investor interest. Noel Ong travels across Australia to record the interviews, only requiring a casual environment where they can be set up. Enquiries about appearing on Coffee with Samso and Rooster Talk can be made by contacting Noel Ong at www.samso.com.au All interviews (242) 242 posts Coffee with Samso (115) 115 posts Rooster Talk (43) 43 posts Insights (83) 83 posts Metals & Mining (181) 181 posts Media & Technology (13) 13 posts Healthcare (12) 12 posts Renewable Energy (5) 5 posts Industrial & Business (21) 21 posts Financial Services (12) 12 posts News (2) 2 posts ESG (1) 1 post The deliverables Samso brings to Clients a number of Content Channels that are all about telling compelling ASX stories. Clients' dialogues are delivered through these Samso channels. Coffee with Samso , our core product, is a compelling format of relaxed online video dialogue to allow thought leaders to share their company’s story and have an in-depth discussion on the company and their strategies. Rooster Talk is supplementary content that enables more condensed, bite-sized conversations with industry experts about market insights, trends and learnings that benefit businesses across all sectors on the ASX. Samso Insights provide a clear and concise analysis on the commodities landscape and subsequent market movements and trends that can impact ASX-listed companies. Investor Podcast specially focuses on a critical theme of sustainable investment strategies aired through Triple M, Mining HQ . Content Distribution. Collaborative partnerships are important at Samso to widen clients’ business presence and deepen brand value. Samso’s interviews are posted on their website, podcast and YouTube channels and via other relevant online environments where they can be shared among investment communities. These client ASX stories are further distributed via Samso's partners Proactive Investors , Brilliant-Online and Triple M Mining HQ bringing in a new point of interest to the subscribers of other channels. How we share your story Contact Download our brochure - Thomas Line, CEO, Taruga Minerals Limited (ASX: TIE) “ I was actually charmed by the interview and question style of Samso. Call it unorthodox or unique, for me the value is in how it helps to speak to a target audience who are not geologists and may not have this technical background. The relaxed style of the interview makes the information a lot more digestible and clear so there is that opportunity there to focus on educating investors. The one-stop-shop profile created for investors by Samso offers really good value, not just to the investors but also to companies. They have a very effective marketing package. When our interview was freshly out, it hit 2.2k views. I appreciate the complimentary Rooster Talk to get even more juice out of our conversations and how we are plugged in to social media as a boost. This ensures we are exposed to new markets and new investors. I´ll be happy to be back again for another chat when the time is right with relevant news to share.”